Yep I've just double double checked and both methods definatley work. I'm using SQL 2008 but if you look at the SQL trace there is no OrderBy And as you can see from this SQL Trace: SELECT [t0].[SupplierID], [t0].[CompanyName], [t0].[ContactName], [t0].[ContactTitle], [t0].[Address], [t0].[City...