Php still is great

Even tho asp.net swept me away, Php still has my heart ;) Both are great languages.

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thank you for that comment :P But you are right! Bye

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Yepp, I agree. I use PHP if I need a small script as fast as possible and I use it for all the small things. =)

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I agree with you guys. PHP is still a great web development language and now ASP.NET going to be a good rival for it. But PHP has its power from its opensource community and millions of installed instances of it in the web, therefore it will be a hard task for ASP.NET to overcome such a powefull competetive. Mohsen Aghajani moh_aqa@yahoo.com

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Hmm... I'd actually be willing to disagree on this one. (Just for fun. :) ) PHP is a great language - I certainly won't deny that. But one can hardly compare it to ASP.net. Though classic ASP had a lot of drawbacks and limits which pertain to PHP, ASP.net is extensible and powerful on an enterprise scale. I'm not sure if PHP could ever compete with that. I think ASP.net and JSP's/servlets will duke it out on the high end. On the low end (the small apps you need to quickly develop), it's really anyone's game, and I have a feeling a lot of people are going to stick with PHP for a while to come. Hopefully developers (and managers - cough) will realize the benefits of asp.net so that they may put them to use on the low end in the future. Some semblance of standardization would be nice. ;) Wait. I guess I didn't disagree with you. Ah well - being this bored at work will do such things to me. Cheers! .steve

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With this global and objective position I am forced to agree :)

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Hello everyone... This is my first reply here... and it happens to be in support of php :) Anyway... I am trying to learn ASP.NEt... and frankly speaking... php is much easier to work with... Plus... there are many things you can do with it that are beyond regular functions... like building pdf and swf files... Add to that one important thing that really makes it important to me... It is not platform dependant.... Anyway, I will be working on ASP.NET... and I admit... the built-in validation procedures make me love it... yet I am still not removed from php

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not to get into some flaming discussion, but perhaps we should be fully aware of what we talk about. ASP was a scripting language, and ASP.NET is not. and as far as platform independence, nextstep, you may want to look at http://www.go-mono.com. That way you can run ASP.NET on the same free UNIX box that your php runs from (assuming you're using a UNIX box, based on the platform independent comment). I like PHP, don't get me wrong, but the uninformed have the potential to be just as dangerous as the malicious. As far as the "there are many things you can do with it that are beyond regular functions... like building pdf and swf files", I'll leave it to you to learn that those same things are available in ASP.NET, even if they may actually require some programming on your part. *gasp* Just my .02

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I think PHP is a great language but I also use ASP.NET that's why I have converted the cassini sample on this website to support PHP aswell. It will be finished very soon so if anyone wants a copy once it is finished then my email is in my profile. Make the subject line read web server or something like that David Legg

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OH man....the simplicity and huge resources of php , I love php. php is the best..thanks to all php developer. php.net has the best user manual you have ever seen. It listed all the functions ,class ..etc in the manual and as well as user contribution. And guess what php is getting better every day. And i think php user community is larger then asp or asp.net. Asp.net is complex and lots of writting. Anyway new beginer wants to be web developer, I personally recomend start with php.Guess what I start learning php by reading codes. Asp.net has to be more user friendly and simple and Microsoft should stop creating thier own tags. Whatever I said, I experienced it and it does not mean I hate asp.net

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Well, I'd have to say that both PHP and asp.net are intended for different audiences. I think PHP is great if you don't wanna spent alot of time and ENERGY to become a web developer and still have some power. I like asp.net because of how the library was thought out and there were features put into asp.net that make me want to learn it. Code Behind is one. I cannot tell you how many times i've had to wait because John (i'll use fictional names) was working on BLUE so i had to wait and i couldn't fix my bug. Output caching is another. I think its an enormous waste of database resources to do a select * from provinces, every time you want to fill that drop down. The other reason I like asp.net is things are all organized into objects; the exception is VB.NET who still has support for things liek mid, subtr, clng, etc. That was done for compatibility reasons, they are just wrapper functions. I dont want to spend most of my time searching for a functions name before I get to even use it. Having stuff to deal with strings in the string class is a huge win for me, and the IntelliSense in Visual Studio really helps me out, I cant get enough of it, its like crack for programmers. I have coded in PHP and overall I like it. It was fast and efficient and displayed my page faster than I could read it, but the build in controls in .net make it more enjoyable. Like DataLists and DataRepeaters, if I want a table to be 3 columns wide or 4 columns wide it doesnt require a code edit of any kind; those are normal properties that even a non-programmer could set. Its not hard to find that value and work out the columns across and down, its math that people sometimes get scared of, but its like a background color, I shouldnt have to reinvent the wheel to get it changed. Anyway, I could go on for hours about the stuff I love about .NET and why I feel it makes a programmer more productive, see I didnt say its better, because that wouldnt do PHP justice. Its all about developer productivity, nothing more nothing less. I came from the C++ world, and I just find C# and PHP syntax tighter than the VB.NET syntax. Not to say VB.NET is an inferior language by any means because its not. Like for example, there are things you can do in perl.net that you cant do in C#, does that made it a better language, no, it just makes it a better choice. Well, if you go down this far, I thank you for reading my rant Chris

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Like for example, there are things you can do in perl.net that you cant do in C# [...]

Could you post an example? :) C# is actually the .NET language.

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Hi, I am new to ASP.Net and was wondering how .Net actually helps when it comes to an environment where there is a developer, who works with a graphic designer, who has no clue about programming but still requires to design the web page that has been coded by the developer? So, how would .Net increase productivity, since that there are quite a few build in controls that a person needs to know before they can change anything in the code.

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I'm new to ASP.NET as well but I suppose the graphic designer turns over a static version to the developer. I would think that would be true in any language.

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I supposed it's debateable, because technically a developer focuses more on functionality and a designer creates the look and feel of a web page. It is not wrong for a graphic designer to give a static version to a developer but probably at some stage the look of the page needs to be changed and therefore, it is more of a graphic designer's role to do it. However, I am just curious if there are some sort of template to be used or if someone can give me a few pointers as to what would be the best way to code .Net so a graphic person can make changes without hesitation.

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Use controls and just tell them to move the entire control. That's the beauty of using graphics designers with ASP.NET as opposed to Classic ASP or PHP, where they would have to find and move your variable to move some text. In ASP.NET, if you code properly, there will be a control that they can drag somewhere else and your text should go with it.

here is some generic text  more text

Could be easily shifted to have your dynamic text appear above the generic text:



    here is some generic text more text

As opposed to PHP (Classic ASP is the same as PHP here only they have <%=%> instead of [$ is for variable obviously]):



   here is some generic text  more text

If I am a graphics designer, I would much rather see asp:literal or asp:label as opposed to . I mean if I didn't code in ASP or PHP, I would probably be curious as to what the heck that is without instruction.

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I agree... I'm trying to learn ASP.NET, but i can't stop use PHP to my website. - TeWeE

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Yep, same here. Both ASP.NET and PHP both have my favor. :D ASP.NET development is more time consuming than PHP regardless of Microsoft's efforts to make it "easy".

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Well, I must say that the PHP is really great. I don't know ASP, ASP.net or C# (but i will know it in one year...), and now i think that the ASP in C# is great developeming tools. I must say something more, right now I'm finishing the publication system (really HUGE application) in PHP and, too in php (which is not builded for huge apps) it could be programmed. There is not any reason for that why it couldn't be. C# is the best language for huge apps, I don't know. I heard that. But, I've programmed that application, and I haven't any problem with that, one page is generated in 0.15 sec. And, it's not standart system, it's 1MB of PHP code (+- 0.05MB) , and that is not so small.... (the size of app is AFTER encoding by Zend Encoder). Yea, Zend Encoder is second thing, what PHP has. PHP scripts could be encoded with it, and then there is no chance to decode it, so your code is protected. Second effect is powering up your application about speed of generation. MY QUESTION IS: Does ASP (C#) allow to encode scripts like php? I need to protect my own codes, and I'm not sure if I can do it on ASP. Thanks for replies, Pavel Ptacek, Czech Republic

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"MY QUESTION IS: Does ASP (C#) allow to encode scripts like php? I need to protect my own codes, and I'm not sure if I can do it on ASP." Yes, With ASP.NET, you can use compiled DLLs. :) You cannot encode .aspx/.ascx/.asmx files, only C#/VB.NET backend classes.