Hello

I am considering restructuring my price plans for my subscription model - what is the effect of changing the fee amount for a role and integration with PayPal?
For example, say a User's Role is set to expire on the 1/1/2006, and they paid $1 for it. If I change that Role to $2, does PP automatically bill $1 (I assume so because the recurring subscription is set up against them).

How does PayPal update DNN with the fact that the subscription has been paid for; ie. does PP make a call to DNN and tell it to add a new period to the User Role?

So my questions are: Do existing subscribers always pay the Role fee they started on, or do they get billed the latest price,
                                  and how does DNN know to increase their User Role expiry date...

Thanks

no contribution .. but I did enjoy this "How does PayPal update DNN with the fact that the subscription has been paid for; ie. does PP make a call to DNN and tell it to add a new period to the User Role? "

I have dealt with PayPal subscriptions in the past.

1. You can start a subscription
2. If the person stops their subscription PayPal will try to inform you using IPN (othwise you just assume their subscription is still active)
3. If you want the person to pay more you have to have them sign up again.
4. If a person's subscription expires they have to sign up again.

Hehe - this is almost as fast as IM ;)

With point 2) So when it gets to the end of their subscription you are saying that because PP hasn't notified them of a cancellation, it is assumed that they are still valid subscribers, and allows them access to the role for the period? What happens if they cancelled and the IPN didn't work? 20% of my new subscriptions fail for some reason and I have to add them manually... does this mean that they might be given a renewed subscription in the event of a failure?

So what you are saying is that after the initial transaction DNN does not contact PP again, only PP will contact DNN if cancelled... hence existing customers will stay subscribed at the original price?

You can download a PayPal report of cancellations if you're afraid IPN didn't work.

If you have  a month-to-month subscriber and you want to raise prices you have to cancel them and tell them to re-sign up at the new price. This is good from PayPal's point of view because the terms can't change without the person really knowing what happened.. and of course PayPal's point of view is the only one that matters to them

Hi Michael

Would you care to comment on these 2 threads please - there still seems to be some confusion as to the interaction that takes place between PP and DNN when a recurring subscription occurs?

http://forums.asp.net/807228/ShowPost.aspx
http://forums.asp.net/1010097/ShowPost.aspx

I posted this on one of the threads:

If you have PayPal Instant Payment Notifications activated, you will receive an IPN on:
* Successful Sign-up
* Cancellation
* Successful Payments
* Scheduled Payment Failures
* End of Term


see:

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:eZibSQki7lgJ:https://www.paypal.com/en_US/pdf/subscriptions.pdf+paypal+subscriptions+documentation&hl=en&start=1#43

But what I said in my previous post is still true. You can't raise the subscription price without getting the person to agree to it BEFORE you can charge them.

You CAN have payment scheduling but notice a person agrees to this up front. You cant's make these changes after a subscription has started:

From PayPal:

Payments after a trial period ends are made one day after the end of the trial period; if trial
period 1 is three days long, then the payment for trial period 2, or the regular rate if there is not
a second trial period, occurs on the day after the completion of period 1, or day 4. The
subscriber has full access to the subscription for 3 days before the next trial period or regular
rate begins.
Regular rate payments are made on the day of the previous period’s completion, which means
payments will be made on the same calendar day if they occur on a monthly or yearly basis.
E
XAMPLE
4.1 Payment Scheduling
Subscription Terms:
Free for the first 7 days
$5 for the next 3 weeks
$10 per month thereafter
The Subscriber signs up on Aug.1, and is billed as follows:
Aug. 1 = $0.00
Aug. 9 = $5.00
Aug. 31 = $10.00