The ibuyspy port is an excellent business application but it is a bit over-kill for smaller type sites. Is there a cut down version of the portal such that it still has the same overall model just simplifed? Soft of like traditional asp with an access database.
If not would anyone be willing to give me a hand to figure out how the stupid thing works.
Hi Jachin, The IBuySpy Portal definitely has a lot of functionality (almost too much! ) -- and sometimes that does definitely get in the way of comprehending all of it. Have you looked at the IBuySpy Store? It is conceptually much easier to grok than the portal
-- and despite the store theme, actually a pretty relavant template application for a lot of ASP.NET applications (it shows how to use forms authentication, server controls, validation, data access, output caching, etc). Alternatively -- what type of sample
application would you really like to see? We are looking to release more IBuySpy-like sample applications in the future -- and are always interested in good scenarios/suggestions. Thanks, Scott
Well I'm thinking a lot around the idea of small data access pages. For instance it was pretty simple to have an entire website run from just one page in classic asp. All the is neccessary for such a page is just a securty module, an admin page and the actual
content. Also it would be good to run off access. It is pretty difficult for students to get access to sql servers. I don't think it is neccessary to have the overhead that is in in ibuyspy portals. Anyway, i will take a look at the store i haven't seen the
code for that yet.
"Also it would be good to run off access. It is pretty difficult for students to get access to sql servers." You can run the portal using the MSDE which is free from MS and should be (I think :)) included as part of the framework installation. You should
also note, the recently released, WebMatrix, has a lot of useful tools for working with SQL Server, which of course can also be used with MSDE. Also, feel free to shoot away with any IBS related questions. There is a lot to it at first, but once you get over
the initial hump, it all starts to make sense. I have used pieces from it in a couple of different applications pretty successfully. Good Luck, Scott
You might also want to check out the ASP.NET Web Matrix Guided Tour (just click the above "Web Matrix" tab to find it). It has an "end-to-end" application section at the end that walks through building a simple site from scratch that exposes a master/details
reporting page -- and then secures it so that only those who login via a html forms authentication solution (html page that validates username/password credentials from a database) can get access. It also implements a registration form for creating new users.
Might be worth checking out -- since the scenario you mentioned above is very similar. Hope this helps, Scott
I know that msde is free, it even gets copied to the HD twice when you install VS.net (if you install the samples too). The trouble is when it comes to hosting the site. I can't afford the huge hosting cost of a SQL server database. MOST people can't afford
the hosting. I think that is why PHP is so popular. It is very easy to get free mysql+php hosting on the net. Brinkster is the only free asp.net hosting i know of and they certainly don't give you a sql server database, so the only option is to use an access
db. I have heard of people implement the ibuyspy portal with access but it is a lot of work because you lose the advantage of stored procedures. Anyway, I'll keep working away at the ibuyspy portal, maybe one day i will understand it. C-ya.
Access is just not designed for multi-user websites, which is another reason why it's unlikely you'll see a Microsoft "best practices learning application" like the IBuySpy apps come out using it. It would be like saying "It's ok to use Access instead of a
real database" which is false for most sites with more than a little bit of traffic. Sql hosting isn't free like an mdb file is, but it's not THAT expensive. It's like $1/mb per month or something. I realize that can add up if you need a lot of space, but
it seems pretty affordable for most small sites (which are the ones that could get away with using Access). Steve
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There is another *very good* free and open source database called
MySQL which is available for Windows. I've used it personally on Windows and is way better in speed and everything than Access. It is extremely unfortunate why .NET hosting companies haven't paid any attention to it. It'd have proved better than Access
for Windows developers. But then again it might be due to political reasons. Someone cares to shed light on it? Faisal Khan.
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Faisal Khan: "But then again it might be due to political reasons. Someone cares to shed light on it?" In my own personal experience, it appears to me that sites relying on MySQL cannot handle heavy loads. How much of this is due to the fact that it is usually
(almost always?) used with PHP is unclear, but I have generally come to the conclusion when I see sites implemented using PHP and MySQL that they did not chose to develop their site the "right way" or that it was created by kids who couldn't afford the right
way. There are a few different OS skinning sites and some other popular sites I visit on occasion that use PHP and MySQL and I've not been impressed with their ability to handle traffic. Okay, now flame away!
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