(a) if a reply is added to a thread, it bubbles to the top of its forum's index list
(b) if a reply is added to a thread, it also bubbles to the top of its participants' All Forums My Threads lists.
(c) if the O.P. or a reply is edited, it does not bubble.
Given (c), because the thread does not bubble up, it is likely that none of the participants, other than the person who edited the post/reply will be aware that the post/reply has been edited; the older the post, the further down it will be in index lists,
and thus the greater the likelihood that it will go unnoticed.
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the older the post, the further down it will be in index lists, and thus the greater the likelihood that it will go unnoticed.
Seeing the fact that I need to delete unhelpful bumping posts to threads from users I don't see this happening in practice that often. And if it does you can bet that after a couple of hours a bumping post will appear to make sure it gets noticed.
Before you ask: yes I do take off bumping posts when the last post has not been older than one business day as it serves no purpose at all and just messes up threads. If anyone should see such replies then simply alert the moderation team so we can keep
things clean around here.
For the bubbling to the top of edited posts: it's not a bug. It's the behavior of the software as is. If replies come to a thread then they appear on top. If edits are made to posts they stay where they are and simply change color (more blue and bold) in
the index list. They're easier to spot in that way as otherwise you open a thread and don't see anything new at the end where you would expect it to be.
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Since you have been adding your replies (doubles/triples) only minutes apart (usually about 5min or so), there is no need for the thread to bubble any higher than it already was.
Considering the information that has been provided
here, i would hope that you see why your double and triple replies are problematic in term of the site's recognition process. Please do make use of the post Edit feature if you realize you've left something out of your post.
i agree that a post should not be bumped short term (a) if there is no useful information to add/change, (b) if at least a business day has not past ... to that i'd add (c) if the post is still in the top 20 (first page) ... (c) works only for members, the
majority i presume, who order their index lists with the most recent post/replies appearing first (descending by date).
the problem with not bubbling is not an issue over the short term ... as Mike wrote, when the posts are close together, bubbling is unnecessary ...
however, it's a problem for older posts ... the author of an older post may have a good reason to edit it and may not be aware that it is likely to go unnoticed.
Please correct me if i'm wrong about this ... i doubt either of you noticed the post that i just edited as a test ... at least that's my expectation because that post was from September 2011.
One solution is to send a notification to the participants if the edit occurs more than say one hour after the post/reply; of course, such notifications should not be sent until one hour after the edit because there are, at least for me, days when my fingers
and brain are apparently disconnected ... at such times, i'll edit a post/reply more that once to correct the typos and/or to improve the wording.
--gerry
P.S.: Mike, i will make more use of the Edit feature as per your reasonable request and Mike's (Mikesdotnetting) comments.
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however, it's a problem for older posts ... the author of an older post may have a good reason to edit it and may not be aware that it is likely to go unnoticed.
Please correct me if i'm wrong about this ... i doubt either of you noticed the post that i just edited as a test ... at least that's my expectation because that post was from September 2011.
Unless the thread is really old, I think the better way is to reply to the thread in that case. If I understand correctly, Kris and Michael both are telling that if the replies are within a short period of time, other than providing sequence of replies,
you can edit the already exising reply. If the post is bit old (If you think it has gone down and it will not be noticable if you edit the reply, such as a thread in December 1st) you can reply to the thread.
And also, I don't think the OP will be interested in seeing a reply edited to a thread (s)he has posted over a year ago.
That's what I've understand and I think it's a good common sense approach.
If I understand correctly, Kris and Michael both are telling that if the replies are within a short period of time, other than providing sequence of replies, you can edit the already exising reply
Indeed, adding more posts while not having gotten a reply on the first reply by the thread starter is somewhat pointless and makes it harder to follow. Is it one answer, two answers. Do they belong together or not? It only confuses people. Having one single
direct reply makes up the total story of what you want to answer.
Ruchira
And also, I don't think the OP will be interested in seeing a reply edited to a thread (s)he has posted over a year ago.
Indeed. From my experience over the last 10+ years on these forums people tend to not edit such old posts if they actually revisit it in the first place. Threads either end up being answered or abandoned. And in the rare occasion that I saw a person coming
back to an old thread it was by simply replying to it with the answer.
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For me, the question of to-edit or not-to-edit ends up looking something like this:
I'm in the tail position of the thread (the last/most recent reply)
a) If i made typos, i'd edit
b) If i forgot to include something, i'd also edit.
I'm not in the tail position of the thread (somebody has replied after me).
a) For simple typo's, i'd edit
b) For anything else (content additions/deletions) that whould change the context of my post, i would
not edit - i'd re-reply.
If the thread is from a year gone by... i'd leave it be ;-)
Thread's a bit old perhaps for edits or replies...
2b is particularly important though. It's not good form to significantly alter a post once people have posted after you. Newer posts are oftentimes based on what's written in prior posts, so any significant edit to a prior post is a bit like changing history
- and should be avoided...
2b is particularly important though. It's not good form to significantly alter a post once people have posted after you. Newer posts are oftentimes based on what's written in prior posts, so any significant edit to a prior post is a bit like changing history
- and should be avoided...
+1.
It's all a matter of common sense and basic courtesy, really.
#1 a) ... agree 100%
#1 b) ... previously did not agree because impression was those other participants would not see post had been edited;
now, i mostly agree. (to every generalization, exceptions are possible).
i'd add: (tail position)
#1 c) ... if i'd done some additional research and the results were noteworthy
such that they added substantial value,
i'd prefer to post it separately for pedagogical reaons.
#1 d) ... again, for pedagogical reasons, imho as a former
community college teacher, it is at times best to break
a long reply into multiple parts.
#2 a) and #2 b) ... 100% agree
#3 ... i'd correct typos ... many whose mother tongue is not English are peers here at forums.asp.net ... i think it's important to not mess them up spelling-wise, if possible ... as for myself, my own spelling used to be excellent until i made my community
college business systems analysis students write essays ... after seeing many incorrect spellings of English words, my own ability to spell correctly declined substantially.
also #3 ... if i learned something significant, in some cases i might reply or edit, depending on the pedagological relevance; if i edited, i'd clearly indicate the date of the edit as a visual aid.
@ Ruchira thank you for your input and Merry Christmas to you too.
imho, whether the O.P. cares or not is not always relevant ... i say this because the posts and replies are not only for the benefit of the O.P. ... forums.asp.net is a huge body of communal knowledge ... Google and other search engines while continue
to find relevance in older posts. example:
it would be nice if the author of messages could edit her/his message (one of my earliest posts)
regards to all & thank you for your input ~~ gerry
If edits are made to posts they stay where they are and simply change color (more blue and bold) in the index list.
yes, i noticed that today where another participant in one of the threads in which i am participating has edited his earlier reply; it worked because the start of that thread is relatively recent.
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scenario ...
(a) if a reply is added to a thread, it bubbles to the top of its forum's index list
(b) if a reply is added to a thread, it also bubbles to the top of its participants' All Forums My Threads lists.
(c) if the O.P. or a reply is edited, it does not bubble.
Given (c), because the thread does not bubble up, it is likely that none of the participants, other than the person who edited the post/reply will be aware that the post/reply has been edited; the older the post, the further down it will be in index lists, and thus the greater the likelihood that it will go unnoticed.
--gerry
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Re: BUG: when ANY thread is edited, it does not bubble to the top
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Hi Gerry,
Seeing the fact that I need to delete unhelpful bumping posts to threads from users I don't see this happening in practice that often. And if it does you can bet that after a couple of hours a bumping post will appear to make sure it gets noticed.
Before you ask: yes I do take off bumping posts when the last post has not been older than one business day as it serves no purpose at all and just messes up threads. If anyone should see such replies then simply alert the moderation team so we can keep things clean around here.
For the bubbling to the top of edited posts: it's not a bug. It's the behavior of the software as is. If replies come to a thread then they appear on top. If edits are made to posts they stay where they are and simply change color (more blue and bold) in the index list. They're easier to spot in that way as otherwise you open a thread and don't see anything new at the end where you would expect it to be.
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Re: BUG: when ANY thread is edited, it does not bubble to the top
Dec 24, 2012 02:53 PM|LINK
Since you have been adding your replies (doubles/triples) only minutes apart (usually about 5min or so), there is no need for the thread to bubble any higher than it already was.
Considering the information that has been provided here, i would hope that you see why your double and triple replies are problematic in term of the site's recognition process. Please do make use of the post Edit feature if you realize you've left something out of your post.
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@ XIII & mbanavige
Hi Kris & Mike ...
i agree that a post should not be bumped short term (a) if there is no useful information to add/change, (b) if at least a business day has not past ... to that i'd add (c) if the post is still in the top 20 (first page) ... (c) works only for members, the majority i presume, who order their index lists with the most recent post/replies appearing first (descending by date).
the problem with not bubbling is not an issue over the short term ... as Mike wrote, when the posts are close together, bubbling is unnecessary ...
however, it's a problem for older posts ... the author of an older post may have a good reason to edit it and may not be aware that it is likely to go unnoticed.
Please correct me if i'm wrong about this ... i doubt either of you noticed the post that i just edited as a test ... at least that's my expectation because that post was from September 2011.
One solution is to send a notification to the participants if the edit occurs more than say one hour after the post/reply; of course, such notifications should not be sent until one hour after the edit because there are, at least for me, days when my fingers and brain are apparently disconnected ... at such times, i'll edit a post/reply more that once to correct the typos and/or to improve the wording.
--gerry
P.S.: Mike, i will make more use of the Edit feature as per your reasonable request and Mike's (Mikesdotnetting) comments.
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Re: BUG: when ANY thread is edited, it does not bubble to the top
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Hello,
Unless the thread is really old, I think the better way is to reply to the thread in that case. If I understand correctly, Kris and Michael both are telling that if the replies are within a short period of time, other than providing sequence of replies, you can edit the already exising reply. If the post is bit old (If you think it has gone down and it will not be noticable if you edit the reply, such as a thread in December 1st) you can reply to the thread.
And also, I don't think the OP will be interested in seeing a reply edited to a thread (s)he has posted over a year ago.
That's what I've understand and I think it's a good common sense approach.
Please don't hesitate to correct me if I'm wrong.
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Indeed, adding more posts while not having gotten a reply on the first reply by the thread starter is somewhat pointless and makes it harder to follow. Is it one answer, two answers. Do they belong together or not? It only confuses people. Having one single direct reply makes up the total story of what you want to answer.
Indeed. From my experience over the last 10+ years on these forums people tend to not edit such old posts if they actually revisit it in the first place. Threads either end up being answered or abandoned. And in the rare occasion that I saw a person coming back to an old thread it was by simply replying to it with the answer.
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Re: BUG: when ANY thread is edited, it does not bubble to the top
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For me, the question of to-edit or not-to-edit ends up looking something like this:
a) If i made typos, i'd edit
b) If i forgot to include something, i'd also edit.
a) For simple typo's, i'd edit
b) For anything else (content additions/deletions) that whould change the context of my post, i would not edit - i'd re-reply.
Thread's a bit old perhaps for edits or replies...
2b is particularly important though. It's not good form to significantly alter a post once people have posted after you. Newer posts are oftentimes based on what's written in prior posts, so any significant edit to a prior post is a bit like changing history - and should be avoided...
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+1.
It's all a matter of common sense and basic courtesy, really.
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@ (Mike B.) Mikesdotnetting & mbanavige (Mike #1 -- i.e., head moderator)
Ah, if only common sense where more common. B-)
#1 a) ... agree 100%
#1 b) ... previously did not agree because impression was those other participants would not see post had been edited;
now, i mostly agree. (to every generalization, exceptions are possible).
i'd add: (tail position)
#1 c) ... if i'd done some additional research and the results were noteworthy
such that they added substantial value,
i'd prefer to post it separately for pedagogical reaons.
#1 d) ... again, for pedagogical reasons, imho as a former
community college teacher, it is at times best to break
a long reply into multiple parts.
#2 a) and #2 b) ... 100% agree
#3 ... i'd correct typos ... many whose mother tongue is not English are peers here at forums.asp.net ... i think it's important to not mess them up spelling-wise, if possible ... as for myself, my own spelling used to be excellent until i made my community college business systems analysis students write essays ... after seeing many incorrect spellings of English words, my own ability to spell correctly declined substantially.
also #3 ... if i learned something significant, in some cases i might reply or edit, depending on the pedagological relevance; if i edited, i'd clearly indicate the date of the edit as a visual aid.
@ Ruchira thank you for your input and Merry Christmas to you too.
imho, whether the O.P. cares or not is not always relevant ... i say this because the posts and replies are not only for the benefit of the O.P. ... forums.asp.net is a huge body of communal knowledge ... Google and other search engines while continue to find relevance in older posts. example: it would be nice if the author of messages could edit her/his message (one of my earliest posts)
regards to all & thank you for your input ~~ gerry
P.S.: this is the "edit test" thread from September 2011 that i mentioned earlier:
http://forums.asp.net/t/1719376.aspx/2/10?+weird+behaviour+can+not+see+thread+get+sorry+message
it should show as highlighted for Kris, Mike B., and Mike #1, as well as for Terri (tmorton)
Edit:
yes, i noticed that today where another participant in one of the threads in which i am participating has edited his earlier reply; it worked because the start of that thread is relatively recent.
end Edit.