Most people can't ever get that on the front page, even though they would REALLY deserve to be there, because you can't submit blog articles, only
independant publications (btw, if a blog isn't an independant publication then I don't know what is).
If you bother to actually click on any of the Articles of the Day, you will find that this so-called "no blog articles" rule is
universally ignored. Almost all of them are blog posts. In fact, as I write this, every single one of them is a blog post.
There are so many blogs out there and I don't think you can read most of them. Most importantly, Joe has his freedom to choose what to put there to share. We need to learn to appreciate othe
people's work, no matter whether it is useful to you or not. To me as an active community member, I woud like to see a happy Joe with his blog contributions.
By the way, I am a big fan of Joe's video and I do find some great news from Joe's blog in a timely manner.
Joe Stagner, thank you for helping us in our community!
Erm...if the gu can blog about david (and I do hope you know who david is), then joe can blog about something that'll benefit a lot of developers (like what they may need in the coming 10 years). And I do believe both belong to a blog.
On the flip side, there are many "article of the day"s that are very very (and I mean extremely) simple. How to out a gridview inside an updatepanel isn't worth being "article of the day", neither is using ajax with jQuery (there have been umpteenth articles
of the day already). Yo Joe!! [hope you don't become a G.I. in Thatiland - come over to Bangladesh, mangoes ripen this month!]
"If I can see further than anyone else, it is only because I am standing on the shoulders of giants."blog: www.heartysoft.com twitter: @ashic
I think it is unfair to target Joe for helping consolidate some of the great articles available to asp.net developers. If you think it is unfair that Joe gets to list some of those in the Microsoft section of a site sponsored by his employer then well we
disagree on that. I for one dont have the time to go to every asp.net dev site and read the latest article and so someone pointing out some articles of interest is helpful to me. If you think there should be more availability of 3rd party content available
on asp.net homepage then I would agree that that would definately be useful. The forums on asp.net already offer a great index to those types of articles for beginning developers.
Asp.net was my inspiration to even start programming and I appreciate the effort that the whole team and all of the forum participants put into helping us newbie programmers get started.
If I may, I would like to add a middle ground here. Perhaps the original poster simply
ineloquently represented his intentions so I would like to take a crack at a fairer interpretation.
I believe that the poster's intent is to demonstrate that perhaps front page quality blog rolls should try to stick to content that is more in-depth and substantive and that traditional short link knowledge blogs should have a different avenue for discovery.
No one can doubt Stagner's contributions to the community and the original poster does himself a disservice by directly attacking him. So really, it's left to simple semantics of whether you belive that asp.net's home page should contain more formal information
rather than informal information. Personally it matters very little to me because I use an RSS aggregator to read that information so it matters very little as to the style of blog.
I think a bigger issue is that blogs have really out-grown their name. Now-a-days "web logs" do not accurately entail the depth of writing or journalism that is sometimes displayed. These are really "web articles". The original intent of blogs was far more
informal than what they have grown into. So, sometimes people may be visiting certain blogs with different expectations.
Just take a look at this URL: http://www.asp.net/learn/, you will see the precious JOE job, I have never learned elsewhere! Joe, Thanks so much for improving my skill... Josef
I have to admit to stirrig the fire a little here :) - MANY Thanks to you all for the many responses and the literally hundreds of email I have recieved.
It IS hard to do most of your work in front of litterally millions of people (you get critiqued ALOT) ... and being (basicly) call useless in public, and in front of the community that you work for, sucks.
(BTW - I email the orrigional poster and invited him/her to offer some improvement suggestions but didn't revieve an answer. They probably forgot that I would have access to the account email address.)
But, the timing was good and I fueled the fire with a purpose in mind :)
. I'm doing some planning for where to spend my time this summer.
Here is the "runnign results" of my informal poll.....
<div mce_keep="true">All but 1 person finds some of the news items I blog usefull, I'll keep doing them.</div>
<div mce_keep="true">People love the videos. You want me to do MORE videos and more ADVANCED topics. </div>
<div mce_keep="true">Many have encouraged me to do a "Pragmatic" podcast (not tutorial or bleeding edge focused but targeted at MAINSTREAM developers. </div>
<div mce_keep="true">You want me to produce more REUSABLE code samples. </div>
PLease post or email me to agree, disagree or add to the list !!!
Thansk Again
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Well, I'm sorry for insulting you Joe. I guess I write in a harsh way, and yes, my title was wrong. I hope you will accept my apologies, they are sincere, I don't know you, so shouldn't write disrespectful about your work.
In my follow up I said that it wasn't personal, and that anyone can blog whatever they want for all I care. This was ignored by many in this thread (now I feel kind of misunderstood).
Some people said the videos are great. I agree (yes I really do, I am not such a bad guy). But it never was about the video's.
Anyway, I stand by my points that:
The example blog post was of poor quality. It was syndicated to the official Microsoft ASP.NET website, and this is the feedback forum, so I complained. Honestly Joe, how much effort did it take you to write that? Compared to some of the stuuf Scoot
Gu does (I know, hard comparison) I really feel it was not deserving of the front-page of www.asp.net
The linked article could have been submitted as an article, thereby satisfying so many of you saying that they were happy to find the linked article. I have not complained about the linked article, just about the lack of value added by the in-between
blogpost.
I feel the blogs should be moderated, just like the forums and articles, so that it remains a feed of high quality.
Contrary to popular belief, articles from blogs are denied.
Anyway, do with it what you want, the internet is a terrible place to have a discussion anyway. I would just be happy if the end result would be that blog posts are moderated, that third-party blogs can be submitted as well. This leads to A) higher quality
site and B) credit where credit is due. I don't think you all would disagree with that?
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Re: Why is Joe Stagner's blog still syndicated on www.asp.net?
Apr 20, 2009 04:07 PM|LINK
If you bother to actually click on any of the Articles of the Day, you will find that this so-called "no blog articles" rule is universally ignored. Almost all of them are blog posts. In fact, as I write this, every single one of them is a blog post.
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limno
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Re: Why is Joe Stagner's blog still syndicated on www.asp.net?
Apr 20, 2009 04:22 PM|LINK
There are so many blogs out there and I don't think you can read most of them. Most importantly, Joe has his freedom to choose what to put there to share. We need to learn to appreciate othe
people's work, no matter whether it is useful to you or not. To me as an active community member, I woud like to see a happy Joe with his blog contributions.
By the way, I am a big fan of Joe's video and I do find some great news from Joe's blog in a timely manner.
Joe Stagner, thank you for helping us in our community!
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chirdeep_tom...
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Re: Why is Joe Stagner's blog still syndicated on www.asp.net?
Apr 20, 2009 05:08 PM|LINK
Joe just take it easy. Do you think you need to answer such bs ?
I personally learn a lot from your posts and I bet most developers do.
Thanks for all your posts and keep posting
Cheers :)
JoeStagner
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Re: Why is Joe Stagner's blog still syndicated on www.asp.net?
Apr 20, 2009 05:18 PM|LINK
Many thanks guys.
It's a bit hard to be insluted in public, and as someone emailed me - I just really need to take a vacation. I'm thinking about a month in Thailand :)
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Re: Why is Joe Stagner's blog still syndicated on www.asp.net?
Apr 20, 2009 05:40 PM|LINK
Erm...if the gu can blog about david (and I do hope you know who david is), then joe can blog about something that'll benefit a lot of developers (like what they may need in the coming 10 years). And I do believe both belong to a blog.
On the flip side, there are many "article of the day"s that are very very (and I mean extremely) simple. How to out a gridview inside an updatepanel isn't worth being "article of the day", neither is using ajax with jQuery (there have been umpteenth articles of the day already). Yo Joe!! [hope you don't become a G.I. in Thatiland - come over to Bangladesh, mangoes ripen this month!]
blog: www.heartysoft.com
twitter: @ashic
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Re: Why is Joe Stagner's blog still syndicated on www.asp.net?
Apr 20, 2009 06:17 PM|LINK
I think it is unfair to target Joe for helping consolidate some of the great articles available to asp.net developers. If you think it is unfair that Joe gets to list some of those in the Microsoft section of a site sponsored by his employer then well we disagree on that. I for one dont have the time to go to every asp.net dev site and read the latest article and so someone pointing out some articles of interest is helpful to me. If you think there should be more availability of 3rd party content available on asp.net homepage then I would agree that that would definately be useful. The forums on asp.net already offer a great index to those types of articles for beginning developers.
Asp.net was my inspiration to even start programming and I appreciate the effort that the whole team and all of the forum participants put into helping us newbie programmers get started.
rlasker3
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Re: Why is Joe Stagner's blog still syndicated on www.asp.net?
Apr 20, 2009 07:38 PM|LINK
If I may, I would like to add a middle ground here. Perhaps the original poster simply ineloquently represented his intentions so I would like to take a crack at a fairer interpretation.
I believe that the poster's intent is to demonstrate that perhaps front page quality blog rolls should try to stick to content that is more in-depth and substantive and that traditional short link knowledge blogs should have a different avenue for discovery. No one can doubt Stagner's contributions to the community and the original poster does himself a disservice by directly attacking him. So really, it's left to simple semantics of whether you belive that asp.net's home page should contain more formal information rather than informal information. Personally it matters very little to me because I use an RSS aggregator to read that information so it matters very little as to the style of blog.
I think a bigger issue is that blogs have really out-grown their name. Now-a-days "web logs" do not accurately entail the depth of writing or journalism that is sometimes displayed. These are really "web articles". The original intent of blogs was far more informal than what they have grown into. So, sometimes people may be visiting certain blogs with different expectations.
josefMilano
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Re: Why is Joe Stagner's blog still syndicated on www.asp.net?
Apr 20, 2009 07:40 PM|LINK
JoeStagner
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Re: Why is Joe Stagner's blog still syndicated on www.asp.net?
Apr 20, 2009 08:16 PM|LINK
I have to admit to stirrig the fire a little here :) - MANY Thanks to you all for the many responses and the literally hundreds of email I have recieved.
It IS hard to do most of your work in front of litterally millions of people (you get critiqued ALOT) ... and being (basicly) call useless in public, and in front of the community that you work for, sucks.
(BTW - I email the orrigional poster and invited him/her to offer some improvement suggestions but didn't revieve an answer. They probably forgot that I would have access to the account email address.)
But, the timing was good and I fueled the fire with a purpose in mind :)
. I'm doing some planning for where to spend my time this summer.
Here is the "runnign results" of my informal poll.....
PLease post or email me to agree, disagree or add to the list !!!
Thansk Again
random0xff
Member
102 Points
211 Posts
Re: Why is Joe Stagner's blog still syndicated on www.asp.net?
Apr 20, 2009 08:55 PM|LINK
Well, I'm sorry for insulting you Joe. I guess I write in a harsh way, and yes, my title was wrong. I hope you will accept my apologies, they are sincere, I don't know you, so shouldn't write disrespectful about your work.
In my follow up I said that it wasn't personal, and that anyone can blog whatever they want for all I care. This was ignored by many in this thread (now I feel kind of misunderstood).
Some people said the videos are great. I agree (yes I really do, I am not such a bad guy). But it never was about the video's.
Anyway, I stand by my points that:
- The example blog post was of poor quality. It was syndicated to the official Microsoft ASP.NET website, and this is the feedback forum, so I complained. Honestly Joe, how much effort did it take you to write that? Compared to some of the stuuf Scoot
Gu does (I know, hard comparison) I really feel it was not deserving of the front-page of www.asp.net
- The linked article could have been submitted as an article, thereby satisfying so many of you saying that they were happy to find the linked article. I have not complained about the linked article, just about the lack of value added by the in-between
blogpost.
- I feel the blogs should be moderated, just like the forums and articles, so that it remains a feed of high quality.
- Contrary to popular belief, articles from blogs are denied.
Anyway, do with it what you want, the internet is a terrible place to have a discussion anyway. I would just be happy if the end result would be that blog posts are moderated, that third-party blogs can be submitted as well. This leads to A) higher quality site and B) credit where credit is due. I don't think you all would disagree with that?