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Last post Feb 08, 2009 02:14 PM by schadha
Feb 04, 2009 06:36 PM|LINK
I am an asp developer with an experience of 8 years. I didnt bother to switch over to .net in early stages, and now it seems difficult for me to cope with it.
I am basically unable to identify how to start the project, where to begin from, how to go about the database. The books that I try to read about asp.net do not relate it to classic asp. So I am unable to understand the correct approach. I have looked at
various projects with source codes that are freely available and each has a seperate approach and none of them looks familiar to me.
I have now downloaded the BeerHouse Project from the starterskit, and would like to request you guys to help me with the right approach to understand so that I can begin working on my projects. I have always worked on asp, so working in VB.Net would be
easier for me, and may be this way I can later switch to c#, as I see all people are working in c#.
All help is appreciated.
Feb 04, 2009 07:56 PM|LINK
The easiest way to learn from this starter kit would be to buy the book that goes with it:
That being said, this is definitely NOT a book or starter kit for those who are not somewhat familiar with ASP.NET already.
You say that "The books that I try to read about asp.net do not relate it to classic asp. So I am unable to understand the correct approach". You might want to look into Doug Parson's book to get up to speed on ASP.NET from classic asp:
Jumping from ASP to ASP.NET
It is only $6.99 and is downloadable.
Feb 05, 2009 01:26 PM|LINK
Thanks for your help.
I see you have provided me with 2 links.
One is a book that you say use BeerHouse as an example site. But do you really think that this book would answer my questions as to how to begin etc. I have read many asp.net books, but found none of them answering my doubts. Like what kind of db objects
I need to use when. There are 10 objects in .net for a single recordset in asp, but now where to use what is not answered anywhere.
I have worked on small asp.net sites, but am not very comfortable working on it. Like I need to refer books all the time. Then if I need to rework on something, I would need to go over and check what way is it done already. Where as in asp the mind runs
1 way, and I know if some problem is occuring, where should I go and check.
The second book might be helpful, but I see that its in C#, and not Vb. Do you have a copy of it, else I will have to look for it in local market (just incase I can find it) to have a preview of it.
My question of where to start might look strange but believe me, for an asp developer who got so late to make the shift these are legitimate concerns. I cant start developing on a new platform and rollback everything to asp when I get stuck, believe me I
had to do this once.
Feb 05, 2009 03:33 PM|LINK
TheBeerHouse book is not a "general" book on the hows and whys of ASP.NET. And as I stated, you won't find the book or this starter kit (or any starter kit, for that matter) very useful if you don't have a fairly solid understanding of ASP.NET already.
The second book is an eBook (PDF only) and as I said, it is only $6.99. I don't have the book, but you can contact the author (Doug Parsons) at the Wrox forums (p2p.wrox.com) and ask him anything you want.
Another book I think is really great for beginners is
Murach's ASP.NET 3.5 Web Programming with VB 2008. It starts you out at the VERY beginning of ASP.NET and will take you quite a long way.
Feb 05, 2009 06:53 PM|LINK
Thanks Lee for your support.
I have now downloaded Asp.Net maker, and have tried to generate a basic website. But I see, that this is basically to generate the admin section of the sites. I see that they have created hundreds of files, not sure if in normal working we should create
so many files, so many classes or not. But I have started with the Masterpage concept, and have got a fair understanding of it. I will now try to incorporate Login controls in masterpage and try to work with it.
Feb 05, 2009 07:15 PM|LINK
Never heard of Asp.Net Maker, so I can't really say...
Feb 06, 2009 12:29 PM|LINK
Its a code generation software, that autogenerates the admin section for a given database.
As I said, I started with the membership components of .net yesterday, and I got stuck, and refered the Apress Beginning ASP.NET 3.5 in VB 2008 From Novice to Professional, and it seemed a little helpful. But I see this was a small topic, so lets see how
it comes up in advance topics.
What is your opinion on this book, Any idea?
Feb 06, 2009 01:23 PM|LINK
I haven't read that book, but the few other Apress books I've seen are pretty decent, if a little on the dry side.
Feb 06, 2009 04:57 PM|LINK
Hey, I actually happened to stumble onto something really, really interesting today:
It is a series of really easy tutorials free from Microsoft. There may be one or two in there you would like...
Feb 06, 2009 08:25 PM|LINK
Hey Thanks Lee.
This new link seems to be very helpful, they have many chapter from the 'For Dummies' series, there are missing chapter also, but alteast I am getting some of what I want.
I have a question about the membership in asp.net from what I have read so far. I have created a users table in mysql and have linked the membership to it correctly. I need a mysqlrolesprovider to use roles with this, so will be looking further for it. From
so far what I have read, I see that we have a few ways to make navigation for the site:
1- Use the sitemap. Problem with this is that if I want a seperate menu for anonymous user, and the logged in ones. I see that we can use roles to overcome this. But I am not sure if it really works correctly. Like if a user types the url of a secured page
directly, will he get access to it or will still be stopped.
2- Create the menu dynamically, based on user when the page loads.
Now another issue, we have a details.aspx page this can be used to show data for both anonymous users and logged in ones, based on the parameters with it. So how does my membership help me with this, or in such cases we use the old asp approach of checking
the user roles dynamically on the page and showing the content accordingly. I read about the way to use WAT to secure folders, but practically for a dynamic site, it sounds unrealistic.
I know above questions might sound simple and funny, but I am really appreciating your help and support to me.