That being said, we're always open to feedback. If enough people say that Opera support is a blocker for them, we could take a look at cutting some other features in favor of supporting Opera.
Everywhere we go, we ask people what browsers are important to them. So far, not very many people have said Opera. (IE, Firefox, and Safari are always the big three. Opera is consistently the fourth, but it's way behind.)
Steve Marx | ASP.NET AJAX Evangelist | Microsoft Corporation
Everywhere we go, we ask people what browsers are important to them. So far, not very many people have said Opera. (IE, Firefox, and Safari are always the big three. Opera is consistently the fourth, but it's way behind.)
I vote on opera! i've dropped IE and firefox for personal use a long time ago (unfortunatelly, you're right: at work, IE gets all the attention - and i can understand why :) ). I couldn't stop voting on this one though...
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Well, I'm a developer and the fact that you have no inclination to make Atlas truly cross-browser is extremely disappointing. Opera may have a low market share, but that market total is huge - billions of people. For instance, on day of release Opera 9 had
well over 750,000 downloads (in just one day), with many more still continuing. There are literally millions of people who use it. Even if the percentage of users is small, why alienate those? What possible business sense is there in disenfranchising millions
of potential users? I develop websites for clients who want to maximise their reach to customers and alienating even just 1 or 2 percent of users can result in significant sales loss. As a developer I simply cannot afford to creates sites that don't always
work for everyone. How do I explain to a customer when they get complaints about the site not working in their browser? Do I tell them those potential customers don't matter? What kind of ethic is that to promote? There is also a myth that Opera is somehow
backward and not compatible. This is simply not true. For instance, Opera actually has the best support for web standards of ANY browser - it is the only browser to currently meet the [url=http://www.webstandards.org/files/acid2/test.html]Acid 2 test[/url].
Opera supports AJAX fine - if Google maps can work and other AJAX libraries work then there is no excuse for Atlas not working. Microsoft have made great steps forward with ASP .NET 2.0 in having proper cross-browser support that meets recognised standards.
So why go backward with ATLAS to the "bad old days" when Microsoft had such a bad reputation for ignoring web standards and promoting, instead, it's own closed-minded proprietorial view of the Web? So, please, continue the good work and keep supporting all
browsers so that developers like myself can continue to have faith in you.
I too have to hold off on using ATLAS due to the lack of Opera support. Our company (Stardock) is making an initiative to support ALL major browsers. I'm not sure who you're talking to, but web stats don't lie. Opera is indeed one of the major browsers.
Version 9 is a great release with many new features and very thorough support for web standards.
Don't underestimate it.
"we could take a look at cutting some other features in favor of supporting Opera." - Steve Marx
Frankly I believe you will not need to cut much for supporting this great browser. Even Gmail runs smoothly in Opera.
The latest version is free and its popularity is increasing steadily. Keep in mind that there are countries where Opera is more popular than in others.
well, i have a suggestion: how about adding opera support instead of wasting time with the development of new controls for the atlas toolkit? that would be great, wouldn't it?
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Frankly I believe you will not need to cut much for supporting this great browser. Even Gmail runs smoothly in Opera.
Exactly. With well written code there should be minimal changes needed to support Opera. Nearly every other .NET Ajax implementation is supported by Opera, so why not Atlas? Eg. [url=http://www.ajaxpro.info/]Ajax.NET Professional[/url], [url=http://www.comfortasp.de/]ComfortASP[/url],
[url=http://www.magicajax.net/]Magic Ajax .NET[/url], [url=http://dart.com/powerweb/livecontrols_included.asp]PowerWeb Controls[/url], [url=http://www.zumipage.com/]ZumiPage[/url] etc. etc. Are Microsoft really telling me that all these independent coders
(some of whom are amateurs) can achieve what Microsoft cannot? C'mon... Opera has full [i]native[/i] support for [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XMLHttpRequest]XMLHttpRequest[/url] (unlike IE6 which needs to use Active X, meaning that NO Ajax sites will
work on IE if ActiveX is disabled). I also find it strange that Microsoft use [url=http://www.pageflakes.com/]Page Flakes[/url] as the showcase site for Atlas and yet this site manages to work with Opera? How come, ummm?
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Hi!
When the Atlas begin to run on Opera browser? Or may be you don't like Opera too? :)
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Currently there are no plans to support Opera.
That being said, we're always open to feedback. If enough people say that Opera support is a blocker for them, we could take a look at cutting some other features in favor of supporting Opera.
Everywhere we go, we ask people what browsers are important to them. So far, not very many people have said Opera. (IE, Firefox, and Safari are always the big three. Opera is consistently the fourth, but it's way behind.)
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Thank you, Steve!
Please, take a notice that here, in Russia, there are many users who use Opera. :)
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I vote on opera! i've dropped IE and firefox for personal use a long time ago (unfortunatelly, you're right: at work, IE gets all the attention - and i can understand why :) ). I couldn't stop voting on this one though...
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I vote for supporting Opera.
Version 9 is a great release with many new features and very thorough support for web standards.
Don't underestimate it.
"we could take a look at cutting some other features in favor of supporting Opera." - Steve Marx
Frankly I believe you will not need to cut much for supporting this great browser. Even Gmail runs smoothly in Opera.
The latest version is free and its popularity is increasing steadily. Keep in mind that there are countries where Opera is more popular than in others.
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hello guys.
well, i have a suggestion: how about adding opera support instead of wasting time with the development of new controls for the atlas toolkit? that would be great, wouldn't it?
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